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Concerning this statement, many computer buyers are no longer computer programmers or IT geeks, but rather perhaps mom's and dad's who know only to click the "e" to get online. They don't know that it's called Internet Explorer, nor do they know that's it's a browser. I honestly don't give much credit to the "Average Joe." People want to use MS-Word and the Internet for the most part. They don't need the power to control the computer when they are not even daring enough to venture into the C:\.
Microsoft tries to seduce its customers:
I partially disagree with this statement. I.t is true to be intrigued with the mysterious. When the final results after Microsoft says Mojave is actually Vista is revealed, of course the original customer is going to be embarrassed because he/she was originally bashing Vista, only to end up liking it. However, because this is a Microsoft promotion, it can be debated whether or not these results were actually "real."
Microsoft completely controls the test environment:
Since Vista's release, Microsoft has fixed dozens upon dozens of hardware issues. After all the updates, I think at this point and time, Vista is compatible with most current hardware. The issue I would rather face, is not with driver and hardware incompatibility, but rather with system power. 2GB's of ram has become the standard of Vista. Why are manufactures like Acer still selling Vista Home Premium's with only 1GB?
Mojave Experiment blames the customers for all the problems, rather than Vista:
Problems still exist in the Vista environment, but they do as well in the Mac OSX environment. I still hold true that most of the bad rep Vista has suffered has been caused by word of mouth because of a poor release. I use both Mac OSX and Vista on a daily basis (on separate computers), and I really haven't had a problem with neither. Then again, as an informed consumer, I had the knowledge ahead of time of what and what isn't compatible. As I mentioned earlier, most current hardware is compatible now. Microsoft has fixed many problems during Vista's lifeline.
Mojave is Microsoft’s Arrogance at its best:
I didn't really look at it like Microsoft was trying to belittle it's customers. I do believe that consumers are ill informed about computers. Many consumers don't know what Linux is. They don't know what kinds of Microsoft applications exist. They simply buy the box because it has the internet on it, they need office applications for school or their offices, and for email and other common utilities. I'm not saying this for all of the market, because certainly there are people who know what they're getting into when they purchase a computer. The Average Joe and Jane aren't usually informed enough to realize otherwise.
Just my 2 cents. I personally think that Vista is a decent operating system, as is Leopard, and is not only visually stunning, but it still runs all the applications I'm used to using. If I had a choice though, I would pick a Mac over a Microsoft product any day.
Vista mkII.
@BOFH, thanks for the link. Yeah Wil has said more or less the same stuff in a more convincing and humorous way...
@IanG, what's Vista mkII? If Microsoft decides to rewrite Windows 7 from scratch and build it as a stable and fast OS, I can assure you am going to line up to buy it.
You reflect the MS attitude that users are stupid. They are stupid simply because they don't know what you know, can't do what you do, and want to do things their way rather than yours. Yet I am quite confident that each of them knows something you don't and can do something you can't. More to the point, you not only want to do things YOUR way, you expect them to do things YOUR way too.
The problem is correctly identified as stupidity but its not the user being stupid that's the problem. The user simply wants to get some real work done with a minimum of hassle and is justifiably frustrated when he is forced to go through totally unnecessary hoops. THAT is not stupid.
i totally don't buy the argument that 2GB or RAM and a lightning bolt of a processor are needed for good visual effects. it must come down to poor programming on Microsoft's part because my 3.5 year old G5 PowerPC with 512MB of RAM can run Expose, Dashboard, Time Machine, Spaces and all the other OS X eye candy without any problems at all... Linux can also do amazing things with Beryl/Compiz.
Shawn M.
all those vista haters that have never used it but are jumping on the bandwagon now have use it, enjoyed its new features, and may upgrade instead of blatantly thinking it sucks.
The experiment is completley manufactured and coated with the same 20lb. layer of shine that Vista is layered in.
I am reminded of a quote by Ted Nelson in the book Computer Lib:
"A chant you can take to the streets... COMPUTER POWER TO THE PEOPLE! DOWN WITH THE CYBER CRUD!"
I highly recommend this book.
Microsoft treats its customers as though they are stupid:
I don't totally disagree, but I also know the pain from supporting users on software that has 17 different ways to do the same thing and the frustration in their voices when they are trying to make a profit in business. Sometimes the more open you make it the more complexity you add and it is not actually easier.
Microsoft tries to seduce its customers:
There is some validity that the mysterious is better and that they will be more forgiving when they believe it is not finished, but while it requires faith in the website that (valid point of contention) the impression is that all of the good comments were from before the reveal that it is Vista. They even show one example of disbelief when revealed.
Microsoft completely controls the test environment:
Completely valid, but then again every other company does the same thing. They put recommended system requirements on every box of software these days.
Mojave Experiment blames the customers for all the problems, rather than Vista:
I really don't get this impression. I think it is an accurate statement that some people have preconceived notions about Vista that bias what they believe. There are others that are knowledgeable and prefer other operating systems with more control such as Linux. The first group is the target audience of this advertisement campaign not the latter. Advertisements received by someone other then the target audience almost always fail (and even some in the target audience).
Mojave is Microsoft’s Arrogance at its best:
The statement that selecting people with strong negative impressions on Vista is improper is just ridiculous. That is exactly the audience they are trying to target and if they can change the opinion of these people with real time with the product then others in the same situation (negative opinions, but no first hand experience) might think they should give it a shot. Any one with actual knowledge of the product would laugh the people giving the test out of the room.
The biggest problem is that just about anyone reading a site like this is already to knowledgeable to be the target audience or willing to listen. Then again I fear that most of the people on sites like this are not really the customer base that Vista is looking for but rather corporate structures and average users looking to email, surf, and do their taxes.
Certainly only my opinion.
"They are stupid simply because they don’t know what you know, can’t do what you do, and want to do things their way rather than yours."
I don't think I ever told users to do things my way. I don't them expect them to. If they want to go through the start menu to open an application or create a shortcut on the desktop, who am I to judge? I prefer keyboard shortcuts, but I never once told users: this is how I do it. I simply made the point that the average joe may not know the requirements of Vista, how it works, etc.
And those users aren't stupid because they don't know what I know. They're simply uneducated. Computers are complicated pieces of machinery that like most things these days, need time, patience, and assistance to learn. Why do you think most schools nowadays require students to pass a computer competency test? It's not easy to grasp, especially if that person isn't technology minded. Not everyone is good at computers, nor knows how to use one. From your statements, I would assume in this matter you're just as arrogant as Microsoft, however on the opposite side of the spectrum.
"The problem is correctly identified as stupidity but its not the user being stupid that’s the problem. The user simply wants to get some real work done with a minimum of hassle and is justifiably frustrated when he is forced to go through totally unnecessary hoops. THAT is not stupid."
The same can be said about a motor vehicle. People buy a car with an automatic transmission because they don't know how to drive a manual, or can't be arsed with it. However, many average joes and janes don't know how to check their transmission fluid or their oil, and end up taking their vehicles to dealerships for repairs and maintenance. It's exactly like a computer. If there's a problem, jane will often take her Dell to Geek Squad or a similar service. Like a vehicle, people should really learn how to check the basics of their computers, and learn what their getting into. I still abide by my argument, in that truly, many Vista haters simply hate Vista because of word of mouth. If someone sat down with them and taught user the basics of Vista, they'd be just as happy with it as XP, regarding the fact that they computer they buy can run it just as fast.
You are "arrogance at its best". Not Microsoft.
Vista all over again! Maybe this time they will make it so.
Amen to that! I was so upset this morning when I came in after leaving Vista running an all-night job just to be welcomed by a message stating that Vista had run an important update that required an automatic restart of my computer.
It is my computer! I should be the boss of what it is doing, not Microsoft!
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Your automobile analogy does not hold. Buy a new car and drive it. It does not take a series of lessons to do that. You just DO it. Also, if a new automobile needs fuel, you put ordinary fuel in it in the ordinary way. You don't need special attachments and special fuel. The fuel doesn't change so much in three years that you need to buy a new car and a new set of attachments for it. Learn to use one, you know how to use most ordinary automobiles. Sure, there are some special ones that need additional learning but that is not the point. For the ordinary person, a computer should be the same. If he wants to do ordinary things AND he already knows how to do it, he should be able to do it without having to get a bloody graduate degree and buy a totally maxed out new computer to boot.
The stupidity is built into the design of OS's and the hardware it runs on and NOT in the user who has a life to live and simply wants to get some work done the way he knows how to do it. Not everyone is a bloody nerd who really doesn't have a life outside of his computer.
What Microsoft isn't telling us... Vista (Mojave) has no plug n’ play!
That's right... No plug n' play. Microsoft wanted software companies to pony up a fee to create and/or allow drivers to be made compatible for Vista. Most companies said "No way! I'm not paying a fee to have you design my drivers... No way!" There you have it the new number one reason why Vista is a failure, Microsoft corporate greed. Hang on to your Windows XP!
Kevin
Fort Wayne, IN
I don't know why this was said. I had no problems at all installing Vista on a fresh system. Others have said likewise, with Vista being even less troublesome than XP in this area. For all it's faults, Vista seems fine on installation.